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		<title>By: psd2web</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-7039</link>
		<dc:creator>psd2web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, for many &quot;engineers&quot; or &quot;technician&quot; people, it always hard to explain the &quot;technical language&quot; into the &quot;common language&quot;. Not everyone willing to understand on how something really happened behind the scene. Customers don&#039;t have to know on how difficult to build or create something, &lt;strong&gt;that&#039;s not their language.&lt;/strong&gt;

For example - &quot;Espresso&quot;, &quot;Cappuccino&quot;, and &quot;Coffee Latte&quot; - each brand has different taste and price as well as respectively.  In my country, almost everyone (who love coffee) has taste those kind of coffee in everyday - perhaps, with different terms - because the same quality coffee at &lt;strike&gt;Starbucks&lt;/strike&gt;, can be get anywhere in here from the lowest prices (also the chocolate and milk). I drink coffee when I visiting my friends, I drink coffee while in my lunch time, and I also drink coffee while I&#039;m typing this comment.

If I understand on how to sell many kind of coffee at higher / highest prices in the market, perhaps I&#039;ll become selling coffee right now. But coffee is not my language, I just drink it :)


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;One day, I mix my coffee with peanut butter.... it was really taste heavenly!!!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, for many &#8220;engineers&#8221; or &#8220;technician&#8221; people, it always hard to explain the &#8220;technical language&#8221; into the &#8220;common language&#8221;. Not everyone willing to understand on how something really happened behind the scene. Customers don&#8217;t have to know on how difficult to build or create something, <strong>that&#8217;s not their language.</strong></p>
<p>For example &#8211; &#8220;Espresso&#8221;, &#8220;Cappuccino&#8221;, and &#8220;Coffee Latte&#8221; &#8211; each brand has different taste and price as well as respectively.  In my country, almost everyone (who love coffee) has taste those kind of coffee in everyday &#8211; perhaps, with different terms &#8211; because the same quality coffee at <strike>Starbucks</strike>, can be get anywhere in here from the lowest prices (also the chocolate and milk). I drink coffee when I visiting my friends, I drink coffee while in my lunch time, and I also drink coffee while I&#8217;m typing this comment.</p>
<p>If I understand on how to sell many kind of coffee at higher / highest prices in the market, perhaps I&#8217;ll become selling coffee right now. But coffee is not my language, I just drink it <img src='http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;One day, I mix my coffee with peanut butter&#8230;. it was really taste heavenly!!!&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: XHTML Candy</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-4277</link>
		<dc:creator>XHTML Candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We here at xhtml candy totally agree to that. That is why we don&#039;t add additional price for anything that is must for a website to work properly. We provide everything within total cost. We never charge extra for cross browser compatibility, commented xhtml and css, load speed optimization etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We here at xhtml candy totally agree to that. That is why we don&#8217;t add additional price for anything that is must for a website to work properly. We provide everything within total cost. We never charge extra for cross browser compatibility, commented xhtml and css, load speed optimization etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-3425</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my argument is that web sites should be built &lt;em&gt;correctly&lt;/em&gt;... three days is not &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; much time.  These kinds of practices are precisely why people don&#039;t learn how to write proper CSS in the first place.

And I&#039;m sorry... you can&#039;t get CSS lists to display properly in all browsers?  I&#039;d understand layouts, but &lt;em&gt;lists&lt;/em&gt;? I would imagine your problem with lists is having new line characters between your &lt;code&gt;LI&lt;/code&gt; tags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my argument is that web sites should be built <em>correctly</em>&#8230; three days is not <em>that</em> much time.  These kinds of practices are precisely why people don&#8217;t learn how to write proper CSS in the first place.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sorry&#8230; you can&#8217;t get CSS lists to display properly in all browsers?  I&#8217;d understand layouts, but <em>lists</em>? I would imagine your problem with lists is having new line characters between your <code>LI</code> tags.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-3424</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know better and I&#039;ve use these guys and will continue to use them in the future. Why would i spent 3 days creating mark-up that works cross-platform when I can get it done for $200. Its never going to be exactly the way I want it but it saves me from pulling out what hair I have left getting stupid css lists to display perfect in all the browsers. It&#039;s a no brainer in my situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know better and I&#8217;ve use these guys and will continue to use them in the future. Why would i spent 3 days creating mark-up that works cross-platform when I can get it done for $200. Its never going to be exactly the way I want it but it saves me from pulling out what hair I have left getting stupid css lists to display perfect in all the browsers. It&#8217;s a no brainer in my situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Townes</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederick Townes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 12:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clint, I&#039;d be curious to see what you think about how we do things at W3 MARKUP. It&#039;s a line of business from W3 EDGE a integrated marketing agency of ~6 years. Anyway please check our order page: http://w3-markup.com/order, we&#039;ve endeavored to streamline the outsourcing experience in a way that we&#039;ve never seen in the space and our most recent partnership with ConcepShare.com further streamlines advanced user interface development (above and beyond basic slicing and dicing). Your views and the views of your readers would be sincerely appreciated - after all it&#039;s all for you guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clint, I&#8217;d be curious to see what you think about how we do things at W3 MARKUP. It&#8217;s a line of business from W3 EDGE a integrated marketing agency of ~6 years. Anyway please check our order page: <a href="http://w3-markup.com/order" rel="nofollow">http://w3-markup.com/order</a>, we&#8217;ve endeavored to streamline the outsourcing experience in a way that we&#8217;ve never seen in the space and our most recent partnership with ConcepShare.com further streamlines advanced user interface development (above and beyond basic slicing and dicing). Your views and the views of your readers would be sincerely appreciated &#8211; after all it&#8217;s all for you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand exactly the why and the who in regards to these services... as a web professional, I still find this pricing model absurd.

I don&#039;t think the argument is silly at all; there is always a right way and a wrong way to do things. The idea their&#039;s is just &quot;less right&quot; doesn&#039;t make it right.

I guess I&#039;m somewhat discouraged that such a service finds a market... Web sites should be built properly, period. If the time line is short, or money is tight, you should lay off the graphics and &quot;jazz&quot; and create a more simple web page, not cut corners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand exactly the why and the who in regards to these services&#8230; as a web professional, I still find this pricing model absurd.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the argument is silly at all; there is always a right way and a wrong way to do things. The idea their&#8217;s is just &#8220;less right&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m somewhat discouraged that such a service finds a market&#8230; Web sites should be built properly, period. If the time line is short, or money is tight, you should lay off the graphics and &#8220;jazz&#8221; and create a more simple web page, not cut corners.</p>
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		<title>By: Kennon Ballou</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>Kennon Ballou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a backend developer who has used PSD2HTML&#039;s service on several projects (and has been totally satisfied), I have to say that your argument here is rather silly.

You say you can understand that it would &quot;take extra time, but not more money&quot; ... time IS money - I work with HTML+CSS every day, but it takes me *forever* to do the initial layout in HTML, and it never looks 100% correct.

I haven&#039;t gone for all of the add-on options with p2h and haven&#039;t noticed any problems. Personally I am *happy* to not have to pay extra just for things like comments in the CSS, which I won&#039;t really care about anyway.

If you can do it better, do it :) I suspect that it would end up costing way more than the ~$150 that I&#039;ve spent on my other projects. This company has decided on a certain pricing model, and personally I&#039;m quite happy to not be forced to pay a higher price for a bunch of options that take time but I don&#039;t care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a backend developer who has used PSD2HTML&#8217;s service on several projects (and has been totally satisfied), I have to say that your argument here is rather silly.</p>
<p>You say you can understand that it would &#8220;take extra time, but not more money&#8221; &#8230; time IS money &#8211; I work with HTML+CSS every day, but it takes me *forever* to do the initial layout in HTML, and it never looks 100% correct.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t gone for all of the add-on options with p2h and haven&#8217;t noticed any problems. Personally I am *happy* to not have to pay extra just for things like comments in the CSS, which I won&#8217;t really care about anyway.</p>
<p>If you can do it better, do it <img src='http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I suspect that it would end up costing way more than the ~$150 that I&#8217;ve spent on my other projects. This company has decided on a certain pricing model, and personally I&#8217;m quite happy to not be forced to pay a higher price for a bunch of options that take time but I don&#8217;t care about.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if you want to really understand PSD2HTML, you have to understand who would use a service like that.

It&#039;s not for people who &#039;know better&#039;, it&#039;s for people who need a fast turnaround and quality is secondary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if you want to really understand PSD2HTML, you have to understand who would use a service like that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not for people who &#8216;know better&#8217;, it&#8217;s for people who need a fast turnaround and quality is secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.clintandrewhall.com/blog/2008/01/a-terrible-pricing-model-for-web-development/comment-page-1/#comment-2303</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice! I totally agree... I guess I could see where they&#039;d be wanting to whittle down the amount of effort, but $9 for Safari support just seems stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! I totally agree&#8230; I guess I could see where they&#8217;d be wanting to whittle down the amount of effort, but $9 for Safari support just seems stupid.</p>
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